MINUTES
PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT, AND ENVIRONMENTAL
QUALITY COMMITTEE
(Tompkins County Legislature)
MAY 7, 2003 - 2 P.M.
HEYMAN CONFERENCE ROOM
Members Present:
Kathy Luz Herrera, Dooley Kiefer, Mike Lane, Peter Penniman, Dan Winch
Staff Present: Katie Borgella, TCPD;
Joan Jurkowich, TCPD; Ed Marx, Commissioner, TCPD; Heather McDaniel, TCPD;
Monika Roth, Coop. Ext.; Debbie Teeter, Coop. Ext.; Jackie Thomas, T C Admin.;
Kathy Wilsea, Secretary, TCPD
Other Legislator Present: Martha Robertson
Guests: Theresa Alt, T C Living Wage
Coalition; Martha Armstrong, TCAD; Abigail Losh, Eagle Broadcasting; Steve
Nicholson, EMC
Bob Steinkamp, Eagle
Broadcasting
I Committee Administration
A Call to Order
Chair Mike Lane called the meeting to order at 2:10 PM.
B Agenda Changes
A discussion on budget rollover for the Planning Department will be added
to the beginning of the agenda. Dooley requested discussion about the
old City dump / Benderson Development building site, and that will be added
after item VII.
C Approval of Minutes
Motion by Kathy to approve the minutes, seconded by Dan.
Changes were submitted by Dooley and Kathy. Page 2, second full paragraph:
“Dooley asked if her assumption that as Light in Winter program goes forward
any First Night celebration recedes is correct.” replaces “Dooley said she
presumed the development of the Light in Winter program would mean arrangement
for a First Night celebration would cease.” Page 4, end of top paragraph:
“Dooley said there is a timetable of cost estimates Dooley said cost estimates
can be used by a municipality to develop a timetable and accrue the needed
funds over some number of years.” The beginning of the next paragraph
has this addition: “The Planning, Information and Education section
indicated that a sewer lines map is being completed. Joan said a water
lines map already exists. TCPD does not have maps of other utilities
(cable TV, electricity, gas pipelines), although the utility providers might
have that and choose not to share it. Ed said security concerns are
one issue about releasing this kind of information into the public domain.
Peter said having such information available might help with rural economic
development. Mike asked what LUNR maps are, and Joan said that is land
use and natural resources. Dan said he had problems understanding the
acronyms throughout the Work Program.” Page 7, final TCAD paragraph:
“Martha invited committee members and other representatives to contact her
with any questions about the ED Strategy. She said the next step is
a 4/21 meeting, the first meeting of the 5-person steering committee.
Dooley asked if there are any representatives from the local alternatives/Hours
economy. Martha said that is likely to happen if we have focus groups
again.” Page 7, First paragraph in item N: “Barbara Blanchard
said the ITCTC Policy Committee will ask the Government Operations Committee
to look at this process, as examination of “red circle” position salaries
involves unequal scrutiny and causes unnecessary delays.” Page 8, “Kathy
said this is a City land use issue, but the site is in her district.
Kathy has been participating in this process as a neighborhood resident.”
The minutes were approved by unanimous vote.
D Announcements
Mike said he met with Carl Fener and Pete Meyers; the Living Wage Coalition
is pursuing a resolution from the City of Ithaca on their principles.
A similar resolution will also come to this committee. Theresa Alt
said they want to start looking at ideas from the public and invited people
to bring them ideas.
Addition to Agenda – TCPD Budget Rollover
Ed Marx said the Planning Department is not asking to use any 2002 rollover
this year. He provided copies of the summary in case committee members
did not have theirs with them. Mike said he didn’t know if the Budget
and Capital Committee was recommending changes. Dooley felt the committee
should be familiar with the source of rollover funds. Ed said detailed
information was provided in the categories. Some came from vacancies,
postponed actions, grants, and unanticipated revenue. Dooley felt details
should be provided on money from previous years. Mike asked if it was
more than anticipated, and Joan Jurkowich said it was a little more.
Ed said the Department made a concerted effort to save. Dooley asked
if “Available from 2002” and “Available from 2001” add up to the surplus
from 2002. Joan said it includes the “other” category, and standard
categories were used. Some rollover was used from previous years, and
they did not distinguish the original source. Dooley said she thought
the Budget and Capital Committee wants source information. Peter said
his approach is that previous rollover had harsh scrutiny, and some was taken
away. He felt that type of scrutiny can wait until the full budget
process. Mike concurred, unless the B&C develops a policy sooner.
He noted there is no current request to use rollover. Peter felt B&C
should develop an overall policy.
Kathy wanted to know what happened previously. Mike said there usually
was a request to use it, which would be examined. Kathy felt it was
OK to approve for 2004. She said the Planning Department played by
the rules in the budget process and should have some security. Peter
said what was “usually done” was inconsistent. The Legislature could
disqualify the rollover, or look at specific requests. He said this
department generates rollover, so can their budget be reduced? Mike
thought that was difficult to decide at this point.
Dan asked what is the goal of today’s discussion. The rollover is certified.
He saw no reason to discuss where it came from. He asked if there was
a plan for it. Mike said the committee can approve or disapprove this
rollover for use by TCPD, or hold it in abeyance. If we don’t act,
it doesn’t go away, it just means it hasn’t been authorized. Ed said
the current year has uncertainty, and it’s premature to discuss this so early
in the year. He perceives a need for the funds in the future without
knowing the specifics. He and Joan will be prepared to discuss that
further during the budget process.
Martha Robertson said the Health & Human Services Committee reviewed
a request this morning. They discussed it, and wanted to know what
the numbers represented, but didn’t take other action. Steve Whicher
and Jackie Thomas are providing more information. She went on to ask
about the status of the federal grant for the Vital Communities Initiative.
Joan said they anticipated getting that grant, but it is on hold at the federal
level. That is not a factor in the rollover.
Kathy said she saw today’s discussion as just getting familiar at this point.
Mike agreed it is not a time for other action, unless someone wanted to make
a motion to turn the money over to the general fund, which he did not advocate.
Dooley said she anticipates surplus in TCPD again. Joan made committee
members aware that the previous rollover ($132,000) was anticipated for use
in 2004-2005-2006 to cover the Department’s three-year transition plan.
II County Policy on SEQR
E Review of Final Draft
Ed said a lot of time has been spent reviewing the County’s policy on the
State Environmental Quality Review Act and gathering comments. He was
ready to ask the Committee to approve the draft at this point. The
Environmental Management Council, County Attorney, and others have commented.
Dooley asked about the comments from EMC, and Ed said they were perfectly
comfortable with this version. Peter made a motion to approve the draft,
which was seconded by Dooley in order to open it up for discussion.
Dooley questioned the opening language, and Ed said all County administrative
policies are being reviewed, so they will be reviewed for format consistency.
His concern was if the substance is ready to go. Ed noted that opening
language was not questioned in previous drafts.
Dooley pointed out that on page 1, item 3, it said the Industrial Development
Agency will follow their own adopted procedures. IDA doesn’t have any
yet. She felt is should mention use of County procedures until IDA
adopts their own. Ed said the County can’t determine IDA policy, which
has been a subject of discussion with the County Attorney. Jonathan
Wood has stated it is inappropriate to put in such language. Dooley
wanted “until such time as” language added.
Dooley wanted to drop the last sentence regarding which agency will be lead
if IDA and County are the only involved agencies. She suggested language
be inserted that the IDA could make use of the Planning Department expertise.
She also wanted IDA and County Legislature listed as involved agencies in
projects that require IDA bonding. Ed said IDA will probably have procedures
by the time this takes effect, as they are very close. Martha Armstrong
agreed that they are reviewing a draft and expect to act in July.
Dooley said EMC’s Environmental Review Committee looked at thresholds and
had recommendations. Language should be parallel in IDA and County
policies. Ed said the County Attorney suggested this language about
IDA having their own procedures. IDA is always subject to NYS law.
Martha Armstrong said IDA counsel recommended adoption as a guideline, as
the law keeps changing. Katie Borgella said he seemed to change his
comments later, and was comfortable with IDA adopting a policy, as long as
there is language which allows them to act differently in special circumstances.
Mike said whether IDA calls it guidelines or policy doesn’t matter to him.
IDA being the lead agency is rare. The municipalities are usually lead
agencies.
Dooley had suggestions about reordering paragraphs titled Type II Actions,
Unlisted Actions and Environmental Assessment Forms. Ed said he had
no problem with those suggestions. Regarding page 4, Dooley wanted
legislators to be notified if a project is in their district. This
will be part of the PAR (Project Approval Request Form), but she wanted it
inserted because PAR is not final. Dan felt she was moving out of policy
to procedures, but Dooley said they are mixed together. Katie said
it could be added to Section 9, Referral of Unlisted and Type I Actions.
Dooley also commented if SEQR action is not required, no legislators would
be notified. Ed said that the SEQR policy does not address how we generally
do business as a county. SEQR procedure is not a mechanism for notifying
legislators about the activities of County departments. Dooley felt
if a project had significant impact, the program committees and Legislature
should get project information. Ed asked how that differs from providing
information about projects in districts to legislators. Dooley felt
notice could go to all legislators. This alerts them about projects.
Kathy felt this method obstructs the intent of this policy. Dooley
said she was proposing it as an idea, and did not have an implementation
plan.
Dooley interpreted the draft policy as saying the Draft Environmental Impact
Statement should come from the sponsoring agency, and the Planning Department
would therefore never oversee an EIS. Ed said it is the responsibility
of the sponsoring agency. Dooley said “Refer to Planning Department”
means the Planning Department would never be responsible to originate.
Others didn’t feel TCPD’s review role precluded drafting an EIS. Mike
said although TCPD is not a responsible agency, they would help write an
EIS if needed. Ed said some EIS preparations require outside expertise.
Martha Armstrong suggested adding “and/or other appropriate agencies”.
Ed said it’s important for the Planning Department to review EIS documents;
that role shouldn’t be given up.
Dooley felt “preparing and issuing” was preferable to “making” a findings
statement. SEQR law says we “may” hold a public hearing for an EIS,
but Dooley would like County policy to state we “shall” hold a public hearing,
noting we very rarely have EISs. Ed preferred to maintain flexibility.
The Planning Department is committed to extensively reviewing draft and final
EIS documents. Dooley preferred to guarantee a public hearing.
Mike asked other members if they wanted the document to guarantee a public
hearing, and Kathy, Peter and Dan said no. Mike said he agreed with
them and it will be left as the state statute governs public hearings.
In review, the policy was revised to include: 1) notification of the legislator
representing the district in which the project is locates, 2) change wording
from “making” a Findings Statement to “preparing and issuing”, and 3) reordering
three paragraphs. Vote was 4:1 (Kiefer) to approve the draft.
III Neighbor Notification Law
F Implementation Update
Monika Roth was present from Cooperative Extension to provide an update.
She said the stakeholders group met on 4/11. She felt the cool weather
this spring contributes to low interest in lawn care activities. The
commercial spraying industry has been addressed with a meeting and some mailouts.
The garden center retailers have also been addressed with a meeting and mail.
She noted that Don Ellis of Weights & Measures has been visiting retailers
to check for signs. They had two meetings for the public. Cooperative
Extension has begun to get some phone calls on the subject. The public
is confused about the differences between their obligation when they spray
their own lawn and what happens when they hire a commercial sprayer.
Monika said they feel there is a need for more media coverage and information
in the garden centers. The Health Department has also developed a handout
that answers frequently asked questions. The brochure developed
at Cooperative Extension focuses on the consumer. She felt these brochures
are easier for the public to understand than the DEC information format.
She said she needs to keep sending out information that weed & feed products
contain pesticides. She will be following up with landscapers to check
on their pesticide usage. She thought many switched to exempt materials.
Several have commented to her that they are not spraying anymore. Retailers
have been good about posting information, and call if they have questions.
“Good Growing” had a little blurb on the radio, but Monika didn’t think it
gave adequate information. The Cooperative Extension Grow Line volunteers
have been trained. The Health Department is not getting a large volume
of calls. She is keeping track of her hours for implementation of this
law.
Dan asked if the radio segment was misinformation or missing information.
Monika said it was too brief, not incorrect. Martha Robertson asked
if sprayers need to post lawn signs, too. Monika said yes, that signage
law for commercial sprayers was in effect before Tompkins County adopted
NNL.
Monika asked if Cooperative Extension could be reimbursed. Mike said
legislators expected costs for the Health Department and Cooperative Extension.
Dooley said these weeks are crucial in yard care, and she wondered if Monika
could get an intern or temporary staff. Monika said it is a difficult
time to get student help, and Don Ellis is doing a good job working with
the retailers. Dooley expressed concern about uninformed staff at the
garden centers. Monika said she has offered to provide training, but
staff changes quickly this time of year. Peter felt it would be better
to release information a small amount at a time in different methods, and
then build on it. Martha Robertson asked if there would be information
at the plant sale at Ithaca High School on 5/17. Monika is doing an
exhibit. She noted yard signs are available at the Agway stores.
Information is also available at garden centers that are just over the county
line.
IV Agriculture & Farmland Protection Board
G Results of Farmer Survey
Monika said the Ag & Farmland Protection Board work plan and agenda have
been set. 40% of Debbie Teeter’s time is paid by the County, and the
balance is from grant money. Their work plan has three aspects:
policies, education, and economic development.
Debbie worked on the Farmer Survey, and the number-one response was about
taxes. Farmers already receive an ag-value assessment for property
taxes, but fire-district taxes need to be resolved with each fire district.
Not all fire districts currently exempt ag land. There are about five
farms interested in the State program for Purchase of Development Rights.
Review begins of the agriculture districts in June, with #1 on the east side
of the County being first. The AFPB is reviewing a notice of intent
(NOI) for a project planned within an ag district. The NOI was recently
submitted by the Town of Ulysses about their water district.
AFPB is trying to get an idea of what area farmers want them to pursue.
Debbie distributed copies of the survey, and a separate sheet on the results.
A current edition of Agri-Facts was also given out, and Debbie noted it will
be updated after the ag district revisions are done. A draft pamphlet
entitled “Living in the Country” is being developed in response to the survey,
and that is intended to provide information for residents about what it means
to live in an ag district. The survey went out to some special-interest
farmers with small properties, and to names provided by Assessment.
The top three responses to the survey were reduction of taxes, public understanding
of agriculture, and grants & government programs. Assistance will
be available for grant application processes and information will be provided
about what funds are available. Peter asked if the surveys provided
a list of topics to choose from. Monika said an AFPB subcommittee developed
the list of things they felt AFPB could address, and there was also a place
to submit other ideas.
Mike said one of PDEQ’s committee goals is to scrutinize a board, and they
had talked about AFPB. This would include attending meetings, discussing
effectiveness, and reviewing bylaws. Monika said AFPB is excited about
what will be happening in the next five years. They want to send a
message that there is a level of stability in agriculture right now.
A low number of survey respondents mentioned intention to sell their property
or stop farming. Agriculture here has been pretty stable for about
ten years. Kathy said she was glad to see the range of comments and
the diversity of farming operations in the county. There seem to be
nice opportunities for expansion.
Martha Robertson said Don Barber was seeking information on how the Economic
Development Stratey will address agriculture. AFPB also hopes to see
more energy and interest at TCAD regarding agriculture. Monika said
they will be meeting with Don next week. Dooley asked if farmers need
help with business plans. Debbie said there is a range of abilities
and interests in business planning. In the survey results, 22 expressed
interest so that did not place in the top ten responses. Monika said
topics on the survey also included ways for Cooperative Extension to provide
assistance. Technical assistance from Coop Ext was a factor on a separate
survey insert.
V Cayuga Lake Scenic Byway
H Resolution: Acceptance of a Scenic Byways Grant
From the New York State Department of Transportation to Implement the Cayuga
Lake Scenic Byway Corridor Management Plan
The resolution was moved by Kathy, seconded by Dooley. Joan said this
grant was applied for almost a year ago by the members of Cayuga Lake Scenic
Byway. The group is now incorporated as a not-for-profit, has a board
of directors and chair, but no bank account or staff. They requested
Tompkins County provide sponsorship, make payment, and receive reimbursement.
Dan said he would like information on the corporation composition.
Joan said it consists of agencies in Cayuga, Seneca and Tompkins Counties.
Fernando deAragon is the chair. It includes the wine trail, the watershed
network, planning departments, tourism businesses, hotels, and restaurants.
She will provide information on the board of directors. Tompkins County
will provide sponsorship and have its name on the grant. There is some
responsibility to be sure regulations are being followed. Dan asked
if the corporation had an address. Joan said they do not have any staff
yet. The Cayuga Lake Watershed Network is provided as a contact point
for mail and phone calls.
Kathy said she supports the resolution as an economic development and tourism
piece, and asked about the “corridor management plan”. Joan said it
was a mile-by-mile evaluation that was done as part of the designation application
process. Mike said this took years to develop, and the goal was to
qualify for grants such as this one from DOT.
The resolution was adopted by vote of 5:0.
VI Planning Department
I Comprehensive Plan
Ed said the Planning Advisory Board met this morning and chose not to change
any of the elements. They did make one change to the Statement of Purpose.
There was discussion about conflicts between adjacent municipalities on zoning.
They stayed with the previous selection process on energy and cell towers.
State lands will probably be addressed in the Open Space element. Motion
was made by Kathy to approve this status and authorize the Planning Department
to proceed with the process, seconded by Peter. Approved by vote of
5:0.
J Economic Development Revolving Loan Fund
Heather McDaniel provided a handout that summarized loans and job development.
Federal Housing and Urban Development Community Development Block Grant funds
were loaned to businesses in the County and their repayments capitalize this
revolving loan fund. The loan fund will receive about $92,000 per year
in repayments through 2008, then some loans will be paid off. Tompkins
County received a one-time payment on the Axiohm I loan. Mike asked
if the jobs are also gone from our community, and Heather said she assumed
so.
Dan asked if there is follow-up on the jobs created. Heather said companies
report to TCPD annually, and usually meet their job creation target in three
to five years. Dan asked if they ever create more jobs than targeted.
Heather said yes, Specialty Testing and IMR created more. Jamex did
not create the number expected, but almost met their target. Dan said
he would like a report on job creation that provides credit to TCPD for this
program. He would like to see it publicized. Ed suggested providing
a summary in future press releases about new grant rounds or loan awards.
Mike agreed that this success should have some publicity. Ed said Heather
is doing a nice job with this program. She provided some reorganization,
publicizes it well and keeps it organized. Dooley asked if companies
only keep track of job creation until their goal is met. Heather said,
beginning with the F&T loan, the reporting time will be longer.
Reporting to TCPD is part of the agreement, and the reorganized agreement
will gather more information.
Dan felt it was important to show results from the grants. Peter agreed,
and said he would like an annual report with these data. He is not
concerned about whether the business is keeping jobs that were targeted,
as that is difficult to track. Ed said TCPD will examine the job creation
records.
Martha Robertson asked about the interest rate, which Heather said was 3%
on the last two loans. Martha asked if Axiohm defaulted, but Heather
clarified that was part of a bankruptcy proceeding. Joan said the County
has been criticized for not taking enough risk on these projects. Heather
said Jamex is a good example. They abandoned their original project
that was outlined in the grant application, changed their focus and are doing
well. The loan helped them in the long run.
K Commissioner’s Report
Ed handed out a membership chart for Planning Advisory Board and a sheet
on the Municipal Officials Association Planning Coalition work plan.
He said the PAB was just restructured and changed as part of the County Charter
review. Primarily they are working on the Comprehensive Plan.
Ed said he was looking for suggestions to fill the vacancies at PAB.
The current group participates, discusses, and is coalescing into an effective
board. He feels they are functioning well. He noted he has had
problems filling the infrastructure/utilities seat. Joan said when
PAB was given an exercise, 90% of them put time and thought into it outside
of meetings. For the MOA Planning Coalition work report, Ed noted that
this is their draft, and item #1 is input on the County Comprehensive Plan.
Some other items relate to the County also. He and Joan have met with
this group three or four times for discussion of the CompPlan, and they are
enthusiastic about it. He has also floated some other ideas with them,
like the concept of long-term municipal assistance contracts and limiting
the scope of GML-239 reviews. He sees a benefit of the fact that this
group was organized by the municipalities. He is hearing good things
about both PAB and MOA PC. The City sends a participant to the CompPlan
meetings and that person has been staying for other discussions, too.
Martha Robertson said the Planning Coalition was discussed at a MOA dinner
recently. MOA members were complimentary about Ed and Joan’s participation
and the CompPlan process.
Ed provided a map of the Downtown Development area. He pointed out
the areas south of the Public Library and southeast of Mental Health.
The City has approached the County about having the County allow development
of these properties in conjunction with the Cayuga Green project and share
the cost of proposed improvements. Ed will also be taking this information
to the Facilities & Infrastructure Committee for discussion. He
and Arel Lemaro do not recommend having the County help fund the changes
proposed to the area south of the library, being referred to as a “plaza”,
or the creek walk along the Mental Health Building. Ed said the County
could grant an easement and allow the City to do the work in these two areas.
Dan and Peter agreed with that idea. Mike said there is a dangerous
pedestrian situation by the library bumpout on the south side. Ed said
Dan Cogan and Doug McDonald presented this information to him, and discussion
will continue at Facilities & Infrastructure committee. Ed also
noted that the alternate parking / shuttle program is in effect.
Regarding the DOT relocation, the County has an option on the preferred site
and the annexation petition is proceeding. Regarding staffing, Crystal
Buck will begin at TCPD next week in the Planner position. She is graduating
from Cornell University’s City and Regional Planning program this week.
[Dan left at 4:12 p.m.]
Additions to Agenda:
Martha Armstrong announced that TCAD’s annual meeting will be at the Museum
of the Earth on May 28th at 8:30 a.m. She asked if there were any questions
on their monthly report of activities. Dooley asked if IDA’s discussion
is completed on density policy. Martha said they met last week, and
she expects several more meetings. Dooley said she would like to attend.
Dooley asked if PDEQ will receive an update on sewer negotiations.
Martha said Cathy Valentino recently provided an update to the coordinating
committee, and Cathy is optimistic about reaching a final agreement.
Dooley wants this committee to have an update on that. Ed said he was
looking forward to participating in the SEQR review on the sewer agreement.
Martha said the SEQR is incomplete without the municipal negotiated agreement.
Dooley reported that Benderson is proceeding with construction in Ithaca’s
southwest area and removed part of the cover from the old City dump and this
has concealed old barrels and miscellaneous construction debris. DEC
visited the site this morning. She passed around photos taken by Walter
Hang. She said there are no plans to clean up the site, and it will
probably just be paved over. The barrels in the photos at the edge
of the mobile home park were found a few years ago. She has some information
available for review on chemicals previously found at the site. Mike
asked if she was just making PDEQ aware of this. Dooley said yes.
It is a wet area and could affect water resources since it drains to Cayuga
Lake. Martha Armstrong said the City provided an Environmental Impact
Statement, and Joan said TCPD provided a review of that. Dooley said
the site won’t be capped. Ed said DEC reviews for certain conditions.
Sometimes DEC considers development as reasonable reuse of a site.
Dooley said DEC could have better future interest than they are expressing.
Ed said ultimately, it is DEC’s jurisdiction.
VIII Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 4:19 PM.
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